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Didn't think I'd be having this conversation, but here we are in 2023 and Daniel Jones is looking to become a $40 million quarterback.
Reportedly, the Giants offered Daniel Jones between 35,000,039 million per year, but Danny Dimes declined. Vanilla Vick is looking to be paid over $40 million on his next contract on a per year basis. Kyle, when you hear this report, when you hear the contract offers and the demands, what is your reaction? So Daniel Jones turned down 35 to $39 million offered by the Giants for what I assume is multiple years. Is that correct? Yes. LOL L.O.L. Daniel Jones. Let's not go crazy here buddy. One good season. Talk about ego. I mean, look, this is the difference here. Daniel Jones I was very public about this during the season. I did not watch the New York Giants football game in the regular season. I decided that if I'm going to have a healthy relationship with football, New York Giants is the thing I'm cutting out of my life until the playoffs, when I was like, Oh dang, Daniel Jones actually looks kind of good. Oh, this offense is actually kind of like able to move the ball. I know it was against a bad Vikings team. I was like, Oh, Daniel Jones looks different than I remember him. I saw him in spurts and touchdowns and Saquon Barkley being healthy changed a lot of that and I was like, Oh, this team's not bad. And then I looked at the numbers. I was like, They are an above average offense this year. And I looked at Daniel Jones, his numbers. I was like, Daniel Jones had a very good season, which as you said, means he now has one very good season and three bad seasons. I hate paying top dollar for one very good season and three bad seasons. I'm just not taking that risk. Playing devil's advocate, though, a lot of people would say that one good season was the one season that you had an NFL head coach that people felt confident and good about. Does that at all change one more year? Brian Dabol Maybe Daniel Jones could continue to grow and develop in this offense. You're not making Ryan the coordinator position, right? As far as I'm aware, no. Mike Kafka is coming back next year for them. So should be the same offense. And to your point, Brian De Ball did not take that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones. And if Brian De Ball took that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones. Brian Day Ball, you should have held out for a better job like you are the talk of the town after you fixed Josh Allen if you wanted this job because you committed long term to Daniel Jones, buddy, you should have taken a better job. Don't you think that might have been part of the job interview process though? Because reportedly the Maras do like Daniel Jones a lot. The Maras told Brian de Paul that Daniel Jones is going to be the quarterback next season. And after that, you know, you kind of have some flexibility and that's why we're talking about 35 to 39 to even $40 million for Daniel Jones is the Maras are the only team that's going to pay him that. Like if Daniel Jones hits the open market, who's the team that's going to pay Daniel Jones $35 million for multiple seasons? Who's going to pay him over $100 million? Guaranteed three years at $35 million. Who's the team? There's not a team that comes to mind. But for me and I guess I view this through my mind, I think there's only like five guys. I really would offer over $40 million a year to play quarterback for me. And Daniel Jones is not one of those guys. I look at $40 million per year as an elite level quarterback. Daniel Jones He's good. He's better than a lot of us wanted to give him credit for. But when I look at these total numbers from last year, 15 touchdowns, five interceptions, from a throw in perspective, we're going to use this criticism for guys like Justin Fields. We're going to use this criticism of guys like Lamar Jackson. He's a much better runner than he is a passer. Daniel Jones at this point is a much better running back than he is a quarterback. And you're not going to be paying Saquon Barkley $40 Million a year, so don't pay Daniel Jones $40 Million a year. In fairness to the five or six guys making 40 million, $40 million is the new $30 million. So I will say that it's not that unreasonable to pay the 10th best quarterback in the NFL $40 million. That's basically what the Rams are doing with Matthew Stafford. And they won a Super Bowl that way. On the flip side. Joe Jones, even the 10th best quarterback. Not in my mind at least. He won't be two years from now. So I wouldn't like this. I don't want Daniel Jones as my long term quarterback. I want Daniel Jones as the way that you treat like Jimmy Garoppolo, where it's like year to year, baby, Let's see if we could find something better. And as soon as he plays poorly. Let's do that. Like Daniel Jones or Derek Carr in a back. Well, though at this stage I would go Daniel Jones. But a year ago I would have said Derek Carr. Well, Daniel Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo You threw out the comp. At Price's. So if they're making the same amount of money. Daniel Jones If I'm getting Jimmy Garoppolo at what Jimmy Garoppolo is going for than Garoppolo, Yeah. Because I assume Jimmy Garoppolo probably this offseason I'm going to project $20 million 18 to 20 somewhere in that range versus if Daniel Jones baseline minimum is game $30 million equating. That value. I think Jimi personally, but. Yeah, think so. Think about it this way. So last year, Daniel Jones on the fifth year option was making $90 million, right? And Jimmy Garoppolo, after they guaranteed about 7 million, his contract was about $18 million and the Giants had the opportunity to get Garoppolo when he was going through the shoulder injury and they said, no, we'll just run it back one year with Daniel Jones. He's under contract and then we'll evaluate after the fact. I thought their wins and losses were going to be all about Will Levis, and that clearly is no longer the case for the Giants. I thought they were going to be drafting a quarterback in this year's class with a top ten pick, and ultimately the Giants aren't in a position to do that. They have an offense that's pretty good. I just I hate doing this because I'm a pro-labor guy and I'm a union man. But like, this is what the franchise tag was invented for is for people like Daniel Jones. Give it one year, see if he can do it, and then maybe tag him again next year. And then after that, it would be two years and 80 something million guaranteed. And maybe you play yourself and you have to spend an extra $40 million, but you also kind of save yourself in the not knowing and the possible we can't get out of them. Well, you only play yourself if Daniel Jones next year is coming out and performing at Lamar Jackson like levels. If this 15 to 5 touchdown interception ratio turns it to 30 and five next year, then yeah, you absolutely played yourself because Daniel Jones at that point is going to be hands down a $40 million a year contract, if not more. I agree with you. This is the perfect situation for a tag candidate if you've ever seen one. You do wonder in many ways, is Daniel Jones at risk of overplaying his hand a little bit? Well, not if the Maras love him so much that they're willing to pay it and they view him as their long term franchise quarterback because remember, this is the same group that essentially listened to the fans and fired Ben McAdoo because they tried to get rid of Eli Manning two years too early and they could have drafted Josh Allen in that 2018 draft class if they had listened to Ben McAdoo being right about Eli Manning being watched and instead they ran it back two more years with Eli Manning and went to Daniel Jones. So I don't know what the deal is. The Giants run their team differently than anyone else. They fell ass backwards into a playoff win this year, which I think in large part is Brian Daboll gives the people the flexibility to do what they want. Because I bet you if you gave that new general manager and Brian Day ball, I think his name is like Joe Sean or something. If you give the general manager and de ball the opportunity, I don't think they took that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones. And even the evidence they're seeing right now of one very good season out of one year with them, I wouldn't commit long term to Daniel Jones. What we talked about in the scenario, if you do commit it all to Daniel Jones, you can always offer him one of those fake contracts, the Derek Carr contract, Right. That he got this past season where you could cut bait after a year. The Jimmy Garoppolo contract where there's no guaranteed money after like year two, there's always the possibility that you could offer one of those. Now, if you're Daniel Jones agent, of course you're going to try and advocate to not have that unless you're okay with just getting a short term $45 million just for one year type thing. But that's the only situation in which you sign air quotes here. Daniel Jones three four year contract. That's yeah, to me is the only situation where you do it. Yeah. It's going to be one of the weirdest contracts in the world because it's going to be like an opt out after one. But then two years are guaranteed after the fact and maybe. You give them one of those sweeteners like we can't franchise tag you after next year or something of that nature. Just don't do what the Raiders exactly did and have a no trade clause in there because that guy to fuck them over. Yeah, but Daniel Jones needs his leverage. If he wants to go for $40 million, he needs another team willing to pay him $40 million. And I just like again, who's the team? No one else would give Daniel Jones more than that. Yeah, go back to him as a draft prospect. Who was the team that was willing to jump up there besides the Giants and no one. I mean. Yeah, nobody. He was a second round prospect and he's played like a second round prospect, which is he started for four seasons and once he becomes too expensive he becomes a fringe starter. Except now because he played a very good season this year he's upgraded from Jameis Winston fringe starter to Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback Purgatory, where they don't know what to do with him. And so is there another team Is it is it Carolina like who's the team that actually wants Daniel Jones. If you want to make a pro Daniel Jones case, you would also say that, okay, his passing numbers do look a little bit weak, but how many other quarterbacks had the wide receiving group that Daniel Jones had last year? Because the Giants did have one of, if not the weakest wide receiving group in the NFL, Richie James Junior was like their top guy. Well, then they got the guy from Buffalo, whose name I'm forgetting, the practice squad guy who had 100 yards in that playoff game. Yeah, their rider C record is not great. They got rid of Kadarius Toney because he was a bust and then became a Super Bowl hero for Kansas. The city because that's how that one works. And the Giants, we should be talking about Daniel Jones and his running ability. More like the vanilla Vick joke is actually a pretty good cop because everyone was like, Oh, Daniel Jones, you know, you want him to run the ball, but you don't want him to always run the ball. And the Giants were like, No, just run the ball Like our offense is run based and you're going to be doing read options and you're super fast. Don't you think that part of that was because they knew that they weren't committed to him long term, that they were willing to use the tread on his tires a little bit more, knowing that after this year nothing was guaranteed. And the same way we talk about running backs and burning them until the wheels fall off, right? Le'Veon Bell Right. I would it's it's kind of mean. But I would also say there's a reason why Jason Garrett doesn't have a job right now is because of those two years he spent with Daniel Jones in New York, which I guess is basically the bulk of Daniel Jones's prime at this point. The other part of it is having Saquon Barkley really, really helps in your running game because if you're worried about that guy, makes it easier for Daniel Jones to get on the outside and be a super freak. Running back is why I thought they should go get Greg Grossman somewhere. Even as a running game coordinator, whatever the title is, just get him into the coaching staff and let him design some plays. That would be a great idea going into this year, but the offense for them was, I don't want to make it seem like this is something you can't get rid of. Like the Falcons got Marcus Mariota replicated similar numbers in the Giants like the to the Giants offense like it's not like this is a transformative offense that's changing the game like they had a very good season and if you don't think you can do better than that, then I guess recommit to Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley at $50 million a year combined. All right, guys. Well, what do you think the Giants should do with Daniel Jones? Do you think that 35 million is a more than fair contract for him coming into this year? Would you like to hear your thoughts in the comments section? Like in the video, Subscribe to the channel. Focus on our social media from Juju and Kyle. Stay safe, happy and healthy. We will see you next time.
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So a report dropped this week.
NFL reporter Mike Fisher says that the Cowboys have interest in C.J. Stroud. Now, for anyone looking at this report, they have to think, don't the Cowboys already have a quarterback? Don't they already have a highly paid quarterback on the roster, Dak Prescott, one that has lost his last two playoff games through the 40 Niners? This is an interesting development because the Cowboys, they've seemingly been pretty loyal to Dak Prescott over his time there. Now there was a small contingent of fans that were shouting Cooper Rush last year, but nonetheless Dak Prescott came back definitive starter and there's no looking back on it, despite him leading the league in interceptions last year. What do you think when you start hearing the report that the Cowboys are interested in looking into possible quarterback replacements for their highly paid quarterback. Means that Dak Prescott may be headed into a make it or break it season in Dallas? And I said after the playoff run last year where everyone was kind of dumping on Dak because he led the league in interceptions despite the fact he only played 12 games. I want to say after Cooper Rush's injury situation. Yes, first time in our history that someone who has missed five games has also led the league in interceptions. So when that happened and look, he played alright in the playoffs, of course, the Tampa Bay game, they worked up on a team that didn't belong in the playoffs and Dak's numbers were solid at the very least going into that game. And after that I said there is no scenario where Dak Prescott is going to be gone because they just can't afford it. They just can't afford to move off of Dak Prescott after this season. He's got $49 million guaranteed coming. This next season. He is going to be the Cowboys quarterback through the end of 2023. And when the Cowboys signed that extension, they knew he was their quarterback through 2023 and there was very little way to get out of that After 2023, most of the guaranteed money has been paid out. So there is a scenario where the Dallas Cowboys can move off of Dak Prescott. They might have to take a dive one season in 2024 because they would have a $40 million dead cap hit. But similar to Aaron Rodgers, there are ways they can spread it out over like two or three years where the 40 million won't hit in one season. It'll be like 2010 and ten over three seasons. But they can get out of the Dak Prescott contract and save like $25 million if they so choose coming out of next season. And so if you're potentially looking at the next quarterback of the future and maybe don't want to extend Dak Prescott until he's 35 or 36, which I think you could go both ways on that one. Giving Dak a four year extension, not giving Dak a four year extension. If they don't want to do that, then maybe looking at replacements is the right way to go. And C.J. Stroud was the quarterback listed in this report. Now we talked a little bit about it off camera, the possibility of gain C.J. Stroud would be a costly endeavor for them. At the very least, I predict C.J. Stroud is going to be in the top ten, just given the amount of quarterback needy teams out there. And I equate this more to the Trey Lance deal that you probably need three first round picks to get up into that top ten to draft Stroud. So I'm going to discount it happening. Notable that they're looking at Stroud and it's notable that this is the quarterback that's piquing their interest. But I'm actually looking at this quarterback class and it's not half bad as far as like depth in the class. Dak was a fourth round pick, right? As I look at this year's draft class, besides like the top three quarterback, the definitive top three where we talk about Stroud Young and Will Levis, there are guys like a Hendon hooker that you could get later coming off an ACL injury. There is a guy like a max Dugan, you could get late in the draft. I think a lot of teams, their perception of drafting quarterback has changed a little bit because of one Brock Purdy, Mr. Rubin seventh round vet. Even if you're the Cowboys, aside from a rock party, you literally drafted Dak again in the fourth round so you can find value at the quarterback position. Now it's not something that happens very often. We do see a lot of the better quarterbacks in the league are first round picks. However, you can get a guy that you can always win a championship or capitalize on a championship window with. And I think the Cowboys have come to the realization it's probably unlikely that they're going to win a Super Bowl with Dak Prescott. You talk about it being a make or break year. I feel as though the only make for Dallas, especially when you have an aging owner like Jerry Jones, is to win a championship. And I think this will be a hard choice because for Jerry because honestly, Jerry is a pretty loyal guy when you really think about like all the guys he's given contracts to, all the guys he keeps giving sack and opportunities to third opportunities, fourth opportunities. Jason Garrett was there for years. Mike McCarthy's seemingly got a longer leash as he does Dak like Jerry giving him opportunities. I feel like he'll continue to give him opportunities. However, they should always be kind of like looking to upgrade that position because I think there's a ceiling. I think we've hit that ceiling with Dak Prescott. So let's go back to when Dak Prescott was picked in the fourth round back in. 2016, because the reason there are a couple of reasons why the Cowboys were able to get him in the fourth round in the first place. One of them, Dak, was coming off of a DUI in college, and so that ended up hurting his draft stock. But the second reason, the infatuation with Paxton Lynch, which was everyone saying, I can turn this six foot eight gigantic quarterback with a big arm into something. Oh, Paxton Lynch, great stat, first quarterback to ever be benched in the CFL, NFL, USFL and XFL. Paxton Lynch, Broncos legend. Even just just. Saying that makes me tickle. Like so. Dak was still the fifth quarterback taken in the class. And look, the Raiders probably hate that they took Connor Cook over Dak Prescott, but Prescott was basically the fourth quarterback in his class. It's just he slid into the fourth round because there just weren't a ton of Mid-round QB You. Mentioned that there was no DUI. Then we're probably talking about Dak Prescott at minimum. Probably like a sack around quarterback, like a Jimmy Garoppolo type. Yeah, he would have been the third quarterback in his class if not for this weird Paxton Lynch infatuation, which by the way, is this is the same thing the Cowboys are banking on this year. I don't think it was a weird Paxton Lynch infatuation. I'll say this because you look at a guy like Josh Allen, right? You draft a guy that has tools, you have got a big arm tall. You know, you think it could work out. But obviously we know how that story was written. But yeah. It's perfect that you said that because guess who's now a top five taking the NFL draft? Anthony Richardson. You know why? Because one team looks at Anthony Richardson and says, I can fix that. I can make him my Josh Allen or I can make him my Paxton Lynch And Anthony Richardson is going to get picked in the top five by some teams. So if the Cowboys are banking on is one someone takes Will Levis over C.J. Stroud which would just be ridiculous. And two, someone's going to take Anthony Richardson in the top five, which means C.J. Stroud becomes the fourth quarterback taken in his draft class and the Cowboys can pick him up. The Cowboys are trying that same strategy all over again with Stroud. Now, there's no rule that says you can't evaluate quarterbacks in the draft. Even if you have a quarterback on the roster or a guy under contract on the roster, I think is the important thing to know. If you're a smart front office, you're always looking at upgrades at every position. I don't care if Patrick Mahomes is on your roster. If you think some quarterback out there exists that's better than Patrick Mahomes, then you've got to be continually evaluating the position. You look at a case like the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, they had Carson Wentz on the roster that didn't stop them from drafting. Jalen hurts in the second round. You have to constantly be thinking about like, well, how is this going to age? How is this specific contract going to age? Do we need a backup quarterback is very valuable in the NFL too. It's something we're learning about. How many quarterbacks suited up last year, like 60, 70 quarterbacks, I think was the number that was listed. Even if you're not drafting a guy to eventually be your starter, you need a capable backup. Just in case I mentioned Mahomes, Mahomes got hurt, you know, thank God you had Chad Handy who knew the system and was able to come in and do what he needed to do. A lot of teams could benefit from just even at base minimum. Having a Chad Heaney on the roster are Gardner Minshew on the roster, Brock Purdy, Jimmy Garoppolo one of these kinds of quarterbacks that just could come in and win you a couple games. You talk about a guy like Anthony Richardson, like, well, he has the tools to like maybe give you like a couple of good games in his rookie season. You hope it doesn't end up like a Malik Willis situation where they come in and they're just completely inept at the NFL level. But the Cowboys would be smart that if they're not drafting a serious round and they don't have to draft the C.J. Stroud second, third round, fourth round, fifth round, take a guy. There's like I said, this is a very deep quarterback class that even if you're not drafting, who's going to be an NFL starter? There's a lot of guys who are going to be very good NFL backups. I think the Cowboys would be smart to capitalize on that, even if they're not looking for Jack Prescott's direct replacement this offseason. And we guys let us know in the comment section below. What do you think of this report? Do you think it's noteworthy that the Cowboys are even looking at the quarterback position, looking to upgrade at the quarterback position potentially? We'd like to hear your thoughts like on video. I'm sure you guys stay safe, happy and healthy. We will see you on the next one. |
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