Didn't think I'd be having this conversation, but here we are in 2023 and Daniel Jones is looking to become a $40 million quarterback.
Reportedly, the Giants offered Daniel Jones between 35,000,039 million per year, but Danny Dimes declined.
Vanilla Vick is looking to be paid over $40 million on his next contract on a per year basis.
Kyle, when you hear this report, when you hear the contract offers and the demands, what is your reaction?
So Daniel Jones turned down 35 to $39 million offered by the Giants for what I assume is multiple years.
Is that correct?
Let's not go crazy here buddy.
One good season.
Talk about ego.
I mean, look, this is the difference here.
Daniel Jones I was very public about this during the season.
I did not watch the New York Giants football game in the regular season.
I decided that if I'm going to have a healthy relationship with football, New York Giants is the thing I'm cutting out of my life until the playoffs, when I was like, Oh dang, Daniel Jones actually looks kind of good.
Oh, this offense is actually kind of like able to move the ball.
I know it was against a bad Vikings team.
I was like, Oh, Daniel Jones looks different than I remember him.
I saw him in spurts and touchdowns and Saquon Barkley being healthy changed a lot of that and I was like, Oh, this team's not bad.
And then I looked at the numbers.
I was like, They are an above average offense this year.
And I looked at Daniel Jones, his numbers.
I was like, Daniel Jones had a very good season, which as you said, means he now has one very good season and three bad seasons.
I hate paying top dollar for one very good season and three bad seasons.
I'm just not taking that risk.
Playing devil's advocate, though, a lot of people would say that one good season was the one season that you had an NFL head coach that people felt confident and good about.
Does that at all change one more year?
Brian Dabol Maybe Daniel Jones could continue to grow and develop in this offense.
You're not making Ryan the coordinator position, right?
As far as I'm aware, no.
Mike Kafka is coming back next year for them.
So should be the same offense.
And to your point, Brian De Ball did not take that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones.
And if Brian De Ball took that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones.
Brian Day Ball, you should have held out for a better job like you are the talk of the town after you fixed Josh Allen if you wanted this job because you committed long term to Daniel Jones, buddy, you should have taken a better job.
Don't you think that might have been part of the job interview process though?
Because reportedly the Maras do like Daniel Jones a lot.
The Maras told Brian de Paul that Daniel Jones is going to be the quarterback next season.
And after that, you know, you kind of have some flexibility and that's why we're talking about 35 to 39 to even $40 million for Daniel Jones is the Maras are the only team that's going to pay him that.
Like if Daniel Jones hits the open market, who's the team that's going to pay Daniel Jones $35 million for multiple seasons?
Who's going to pay him over $100 million?
Guaranteed three years at $35 million.
Who's the team?
There's not a team that comes to mind.
But for me and I guess I view this through my mind, I think there's only like five guys.
I really would offer over $40 million a year to play quarterback for me.
And Daniel Jones is not one of those guys.
I look at $40 million per year as an elite level quarterback.
Daniel Jones He's good.
He's better than a lot of us wanted to give him credit for.
But when I look at these total numbers from last year, 15 touchdowns, five interceptions, from a throw in perspective, we're going to use this criticism for guys like Justin Fields.
We're going to use this criticism of guys like Lamar Jackson.
He's a much better runner than he is a passer.
Daniel Jones at this point is a much better running back than he is a quarterback.
And you're not going to be paying Saquon Barkley $40 Million a year, so don't pay Daniel Jones $40 Million a year.
In fairness to the five or six guys making 40 million, $40 million is the new $30 million.
So I will say that it's not that unreasonable to pay the 10th best quarterback in the NFL $40 million.
That's basically what the Rams are doing with Matthew Stafford.
And they won a Super Bowl that way.
On the flip side.
Joe Jones, even the 10th best quarterback.
Not in my mind at least.
He won't be two years from now.
So I wouldn't like this.
I don't want Daniel Jones as my long term quarterback.
I want Daniel Jones as the way that you treat like Jimmy Garoppolo, where it's like year to year, baby, Let's see if we could find something better.
And as soon as he plays poorly.
Let's do that.
Like Daniel Jones or Derek Carr in a back.
Well, though at this stage I would go Daniel Jones.
But a year ago I would have said Derek Carr.
Well, Daniel Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo You threw out the comp.
So if they're making the same amount of money.
Daniel Jones If I'm getting Jimmy Garoppolo at what Jimmy Garoppolo is going for than Garoppolo, Yeah.
Because I assume Jimmy Garoppolo probably this offseason I'm going to project $20 million 18 to 20 somewhere in that range versus if Daniel Jones baseline minimum is game $30 million equating.
I think Jimi personally, but.
Yeah, think so.
Think about it this way.
So last year, Daniel Jones on the fifth year option was making $90 million, right?
And Jimmy Garoppolo, after they guaranteed about 7 million, his contract was about $18 million and the Giants had the opportunity to get Garoppolo when he was going through the shoulder injury and they said, no, we'll just run it back one year with Daniel Jones.
He's under contract and then we'll evaluate after the fact.
I thought their wins and losses were going to be all about Will Levis, and that clearly is no longer the case for the Giants.
I thought they were going to be drafting a quarterback in this year's class with a top ten pick, and ultimately the Giants aren't in a position to do that.
They have an offense that's pretty good.
I just I hate doing this because I'm a pro-labor guy and I'm a union man.
But like, this is what the franchise tag was invented for is for people like Daniel Jones.
Give it one year, see if he can do it, and then maybe tag him again next year.
And then after that, it would be two years and 80 something million guaranteed.
And maybe you play yourself and you have to spend an extra $40 million, but you also kind of save yourself in the not knowing and the possible we can't get out of them.
Well, you only play yourself if Daniel Jones next year is coming out and performing at Lamar Jackson like levels.
If this 15 to 5 touchdown interception ratio turns it to 30 and five next year, then yeah, you absolutely played yourself because Daniel Jones at that point is going to be hands down a $40 million a year contract, if not more.
I agree with you.
This is the perfect situation for a tag candidate if you've ever seen one.
You do wonder in many ways, is Daniel Jones at risk of overplaying his hand a little bit?
Well, not if the Maras love him so much that they're willing to pay it and they view him as their long term franchise quarterback because remember, this is the same group that essentially listened to the fans and fired Ben McAdoo because they tried to get rid of Eli Manning two years too early and they could have drafted Josh Allen in that 2018 draft class if they had listened to Ben McAdoo being right about Eli Manning being watched and instead they ran it back two more years with Eli Manning and went to Daniel Jones.
So I don't know what the deal is.
The Giants run their team differently than anyone else.
They fell ass backwards into a playoff win this year, which I think in large part is Brian Daboll gives the people the flexibility to do what they want.
Because I bet you if you gave that new general manager and Brian Day ball, I think his name is like Joe Sean or something.
If you give the general manager and de ball the opportunity, I don't think they took that job to commit long term to Daniel Jones.
And even the evidence they're seeing right now of one very good season out of one year with them, I wouldn't commit long term to Daniel Jones.
What we talked about in the scenario, if you do commit it all to Daniel Jones, you can always offer him one of those fake contracts, the Derek Carr contract, Right.
That he got this past season where you could cut bait after a year.
The Jimmy Garoppolo contract where there's no guaranteed money after like year two, there's always the possibility that you could offer one of those.
Now, if you're Daniel Jones agent, of course you're going to try and advocate to not have that unless you're okay with just getting a short term $45 million just for one year type thing.
But that's the only situation in which you sign air quotes here.
Daniel Jones three four year contract.
That's yeah, to me is the only situation where you do it.
It's going to be one of the weirdest contracts in the world because it's going to be like an opt out after one.
But then two years are guaranteed after the fact and maybe.
You give them one of those sweeteners like we can't franchise tag you after next year or something of that nature.
Just don't do what the Raiders exactly did and have a no trade clause in there because that guy to fuck them over.
Yeah, but Daniel Jones needs his leverage.
If he wants to go for $40 million, he needs another team willing to pay him $40 million.
And I just like again, who's the team?
No one else would give Daniel Jones more than that.
Yeah, go back to him as a draft prospect.
Who was the team that was willing to jump up there besides the Giants and no one.
He was a second round prospect and he's played like a second round prospect, which is he started for four seasons and once he becomes too expensive he becomes a fringe starter.
Except now because he played a very good season this year he's upgraded from Jameis Winston fringe starter to Jimmy Garoppolo quarterback Purgatory, where they don't know what to do with him.
And so is there another team Is it is it Carolina like who's the team that actually wants Daniel Jones.
If you want to make a pro Daniel Jones case, you would also say that, okay, his passing numbers do look a little bit weak, but how many other quarterbacks had the wide receiving group that Daniel Jones had last year?
Because the Giants did have one of, if not the weakest wide receiving group in the NFL, Richie James Junior was like their top guy.
Well, then they got the guy from Buffalo, whose name I'm forgetting, the practice squad guy who had 100 yards in that playoff game.
Yeah, their rider C record is not great.
They got rid of Kadarius Toney because he was a bust and then became a Super Bowl hero for Kansas.
The city because that's how that one works.
And the Giants, we should be talking about Daniel Jones and his running ability.
More like the vanilla Vick joke is actually a pretty good cop because everyone was like, Oh, Daniel Jones, you know, you want him to run the ball, but you don't want him to always run the ball.
And the Giants were like, No, just run the ball Like our offense is run based and you're going to be doing read options and you're super fast.
Don't you think that part of that was because they knew that they weren't committed to him long term, that they were willing to use the tread on his tires a little bit more, knowing that after this year nothing was guaranteed.
And the same way we talk about running backs and burning them until the wheels fall off, right?
Le'Veon Bell Right.
I would it's it's kind of mean.
But I would also say there's a reason why Jason Garrett doesn't have a job right now is because of those two years he spent with Daniel Jones in New York, which I guess is basically the bulk of Daniel Jones's prime at this point.
The other part of it is having Saquon Barkley really, really helps in your running game because if you're worried about that guy, makes it easier for Daniel Jones to get on the outside and be a super freak.
Running back is why I thought they should go get Greg Grossman somewhere.
Even as a running game coordinator, whatever the title is, just get him into the coaching staff and let him design some plays.
That would be a great idea going into this year, but the offense for them was, I don't want to make it seem like this is something you can't get rid of.
Like the Falcons got Marcus Mariota replicated similar numbers in the Giants like the to the Giants offense like it's not like this is a transformative offense that's changing the game like they had a very good season and if you don't think you can do better than that, then I guess recommit to Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley at $50 million a year combined.
All right, guys.
Well, what do you think the Giants should do with Daniel Jones?
Do you think that 35 million is a more than fair contract for him coming into this year?
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