Sammy Watkins Says Aaron Rodgers is Better Than Patrick Mahomes, Is He Right??

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Sammy Watkins was part of the 2019 Super Bowl Champion Kansas City Chiefs. That allowed him to share the field with Patrick Mahomes as the Chiefs hoisted up the Lombardi trophy. Now Watkins walks the halls of Lombardi with another all-time great at quarterback. When asked to compare Aaron Rodgers to Patrick Mahomes, Watkins had this to say: "I've been with both of them, and I'm gonna be honest, I think Pat (Mahomes) is unbelievably good, but A-Rod is on a whole different level," he said in July. "He makes me calm just to be in the huddle with him. The Green Bay Packers receiver was pretty definitive in his ranking of Rodgers over Mahomes. This is the second wide receiver to tout their new quarterbacks ability over Mahomes. Tyreek Hill has given glowing reviews of Tua Tagovailoa since being traded to the Miami Dolphins. Hill called Tua the most accurate quarterback he had ever played with. Which would mean that Tua has a leg up on Mahomes in that department according to Hill. Kyle & Ju-Ju in this segment discuss the trend of former Chiefs wide receivers praising their new QB at the expense of Patrick Mahomes. #PatrickMahomes #AaronRodgers #Chiefs



julian martinez: [00:00:13] I'm kind of surprised you're not cradling the Mahomes jersey right now, after all the disrespect that he is getting from his former wide receivers. How can you believe this comment that came out today from Sammy Watkins, who was on the championship squad for the Kansas City Chiefs? Patrick Mahomes is incredibly good, but A-Rod is on a whole other level. Sammy Watkins signed cosign by Tyreek Hill, who said that Tua was the most accurate quarterback that he has played with in his career. That's two wide receivers in the same off season that kind of had a little shade. I don't know if it was direct shade, but it certainly was shade at the great Patrick Mahomes. This is going to catch you off guard that this is a weird trend that seems to be developing this offseason. [00:01:05][52.1]
kyle ledbetter: [00:01:07] I don't think so because I can always write it down as like, of course these players are, you know, talking about the quarterback that they really like now. I think that the Sammy Watkins story this week has been a byproduct of the Tyreek Hill storyline this off season, where Tyreek Hill has said repeatedly, like, Oh yeah, two is way more accurate than Patrick Mahomes, or I'm way more happy to have two than Patrick Mahomes. And Two and nine has kind of like ran with this storyline and dominated the headlines. [00:01:36][28.9]
julian martinez: [00:01:36] A shout out to you too anon. [00:01:37][1.1]
kyle ledbetter: [00:01:38] We know yeah to it. Not really likes our videos. [00:01:40][1.9]
julian martinez: [00:01:41] For some reason I don't. I don't know what it is. I'm not questioning it to a not shout out to you things fans. Yeah, right, right. [00:01:47][6.6]
kyle ledbetter: [00:01:48] I agree with that. I also will point out, just as a fun side note, there's a 2020 Bleacher Report story that was written by Tyler Dunn on Sammy Watkins. And it is still to this day, like the most interesting thing I've ever heard, like Sammy Watkins and has studied astrology. And basically, like he was getting drunk every night in Buffalo when he was there. And when he left, he, like locked himself in his house for five months and just, like, studied the universe. Right. Since Watkins is really interested. [00:02:16][28.3]
julian martinez: [00:02:17] Are you talking about the Lizard King, Sammy Watkins? [00:02:19][1.9]
kyle ledbetter: [00:02:20] Yes, I'm talking about that. Sammy Watkins. The chaotic, crazy Sammy Watkins, who again, I just I could talk for 10 minutes about that, but that's just the synopsis of it. So Sammy Watkins, super interesting. Now for Patrick Mahomes, all of this is just off season talk and it's a byproduct of Tyreek Hill. [00:02:38][17.8]
julian martinez: [00:02:39] I feel as though it makes sense actually thinking about Sammy Watkins beliefs and realizing he's in the same locker room as Aaron Rodgers, who has been touting his ayahuasca trip this offseason. It sounds like they can actually bond when he talks about being on a whole other level. He might legitimately mean that. He means that Aaron Rodgers is on a whole other level, freed his mind, put himself in another dimension, another plane of existence. That's what Sammy Watkins is probably referring to, right? Not that Aaron Rodgers is more talented than Patrick Mahomes, because that can be right from the two time reigning MVP. Now, that's the interesting question that I think a lot of people are asking when they look at this story. Is it true? Is Aaron Rodgers that much better or that significantly better than Patrick Mahomes? What say you, Kyle? [00:03:27][48.4]
kyle ledbetter: [00:03:29] It's interesting because I think that the Aaron Rodgers to Patrick Mahomes point is an interesting conversation. I know that we as we as sports media people can't be trusted with having a quarterback debate because it instinctively becomes who is better, Rodgers or Mahomes, when the answer is, they are both the two greatest quarterbacks to ever pick up a football statistically, and one one might be better than the other. So you're a. [00:03:54][24.9]
julian martinez: [00:03:54] Cop? [00:03:54][0.0]
kyle ledbetter: [00:03:55] Yeah. No, sorry. I'm not going to do the whole sports media conversation around this Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers situation. But that the part that I find more interesting is the Mahomes and to a thing because obviously there's no comparison between the two. We know what to a ton of Alloa is not. We know it. We don't know what he is, but we know what he's not. Even with the terrible offensive line and the Dolphins having that weird stretch run last year and him being hurt. We would have seen something at this point that says he's Justin Herbert or he's too or he's Patrick Mahomes or he's going to be one of the. It's just interesting that Tyreek Hill is so vocal about it and that people have ran so much about it, so much so that I think there's been more media coverage around Tyreek Hill's Praise of Two and Mike McDaniels Praise of two. Then there's been about like the Dolphins almost having Tom Brady this offseason and it's kind of weird that that conversation has sparked. And obviously the flipside of that is massive praise for to a must mean disrespect for Patrick Mahomes because it can never just be one thing or the other. It has to be both. It has to be disrespect for Patrick Mahomes as well. [00:05:06][70.5]
julian martinez: [00:05:07] I can agree that you can praise your girlfriend without tearing down your ex, but it is interesting to think about the point of comparing the two quarterbacks. I'll go back to the Aaron Rodgers Patrick Mahomes comparison just to kind of get an idea of maybe what Sammy Watkins is talking about, like, why does he make it so to define that line? Okay. So how do we compare these two? So let's look at Aaron Rodgers last two MVP years. So Aaron Rodgers in those seasons respectively, 4115 yards last season in 2021, 37 touchdowns, four picks, 111.9 passer rating in 2020, 70% completion percentage, one yard shy of 4300 yards, 48 touchdowns, five picks, 121.5 rated Patrick Mahomes in those two years. And there was some injuries mixed in. But in 2021, he threw four more passing yards. 4839 had a worse completion percentage in terms of touchdowns, dead, even deadlocked together, interceptions that were a big problem for Mahomes relative to Rodgers. And some will say that Rodgers plays it too conservative with the ball sometimes, and that costs his team. Whereas Patrick Mahomes is known clearly as more of a gunslinger 13 picks in total, 98.5 rating. So the rating is a big dividing line in 2021 in terms of 2020, comparing there to statistics, 4700 yards. So not that far away from the 2021 season totals in 2020, 66.3 completion percentage, 38 touchdowns, which was ten less than Rodgers. Again, you have to mix in some injuries here, six interceptions. So he had less interceptions, less turnovers in 2020 and 108 rating. So the last two years, Rodgers has really separated in the categories of turnovers, less turnovers, more efficient with the football in terms of adding in the completion percentages, touchdowns, which sometimes year to year could be a little bit of a fluky stat. Aaron Rodgers, at least in 2020, was far and away above. Patrick Mahomes Again, you have to factor in the missed time. I would say Patrick Mahomes is more of an ad libber. He's he's one of the most talented when it comes to ad libbing in the game. Aaron Rodgers has a little bit of ad lib qualities to him as well, but not nearly to the same effect because he's not quite as mobile early career Aaron Rodgers was, but current iteration of Aaron Rodgers not as mobile. I feel like Aaron Rodgers fits better within his scheme right now. Ever since he learned the floor Shanahan McVay type offense, he's flourished in it. Patrick Mahomes Sometimes at points, he loves Andy Reid offense, but he sometimes can overcome it with his natural arm talent. [00:08:04][177.0]
kyle ledbetter: [00:08:04] Certainly different quarterbacks. And I will add the other stat to all those stats you listed, which is the simpler one, and usually I'm the one who loves going to all the fun stats and QB and yards and things like that. But I will just do that each one of 2021 and 2020, both seasons. Rodgers finished first in MVP. Patrick Mahomes finished third in MVP. Both of those seasons. Now, in fairness, there was a different second place, both seasons. 2020, it was Josh Allen, 2021 it was Tom Brady. But you know, same point like they are the two they're the games are certainly different between the two. [00:08:36][31.9]
julian martinez: [00:08:37] I'll throw this in there. I thought Aaron Rodgers should have won last year's MVP. Throwing the MVP says. [00:08:41][4.7]
kyle ledbetter: [00:08:42] Neither should Tom Brady. [00:08:42][0.7]
julian martinez: [00:08:43] I thought it was Tom Brady. I'm sorry. I thought as Tom Brady last year in. [00:08:47][3.6]
kyle ledbetter: [00:08:47] Saying, you know, the value. [00:08:48][1.1]
julian martinez: [00:08:48] Is passing touchdowns, passing yards. That's that's, you know. [00:08:53][4.9]
kyle ledbetter: [00:08:54] Which is. Okay, I don't I don't I can't. Anyways, the Patrick Mahomes point is really interesting because like you said, they play very different games. And as I'm not going to say vanilla, let's say that the Matt LaFleur offense is chocolate. It's not as kooky and creative as it could be. TAYLOR Well, to what Aaron Rodgers does is a quarterback, which is. Aaron Rodgers is short quick passes. Aaron Rodgers is two and a half seconds or less get out the football Aaron Rodgers is use the running backs as receivers type of guy and the chiefs do some of that stuff but obviously the Chiefs offense is built on Patrick Mahomes his ability to, one, be a mobile quarterback and make plays last five, six, 7 seconds long in order to give Tyreek Hill openings and give Travis Kelce openings and give Mecole Hardman and Sammy Watkins three games a year. Give those guys openings. [00:09:48][54.1]
julian martinez: [00:09:48] I'll put it to you this way. If you were a defensive coordinator, who would you like to see, Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes? [00:09:55][6.9]
kyle ledbetter: [00:09:57] Um, I would probably least like to see Aaron Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers is just a lot harder to gameplan against. Like his game is built on extreme accuracy and Aaron Rodgers game is built on precision passing where your defensive linemen ized because you just can't physically get to the quarterback fast enough to make an effort to change a play like that. And so. [00:10:24][27.3]
julian martinez: [00:10:24] What say in that respect is referencing. [00:10:25][1.2]
kyle ledbetter: [00:10:27] Perhaps that's what Tim Watkins is referencing. Now, I think that the better quarterback is Patrick Mahomes to game plan against one or the other is more difficult because Patrick Mahomes we saw last season you can say we're going to deny the deep ball you're going to have to throw to the middle. And Patrick Mahomes will, as all Patrick Mahomes has to do is adjust his play and it changes the game a little bit. Like if he takes what's been given to him, the Chiefs offense is still totally unstoppable. It's just it denies the, you know, Patrick Mahomes rolls to his left, rolls to his right. And now the plays lasted six, 7 seconds long and no one can possibly cover Travis Kelce or Tyreek Hill for six or 7 seconds. [00:11:07][40.3]
julian martinez: [00:11:08] And this is no fault of Mahomes because any quarterback would kill for this situation. But I think a lot of what this debate boils down to in terms of how these quarterbacks will rank historically or how they rank right now, historically is always Aaron Rodgers. We've seen so many different iterations throughout the years in him succeed with so many different talented pieces, whereas we still need to figure out what Mahomes is going to be post Tyree, he'll post Travis Kelce, post Andy Reid whenever the time comes. Aaron Rodgers has flourished in multiple systems with Mike McCarthy and now with the floor. He's had multiple number one wide receivers over the course of his career, whether that be a Donald driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson or Devante Adams and who knows who's going to be the guy this year. So in terms of Career Resumé, because we have seen Aaron Rodgers be able to flourish throughout the years with different settings, different you are different types of adversity. Yes. We still have to see kind of Patrick Mahomes face adversity in his career and maybe that's coming this year. Maybe we thought we thought kind of last year that he was dealing with adversity when they had that odd stretch where just didn't seem like anything was really working. [00:12:23][75.3]
kyle ledbetter: [00:12:24] Other people and I'm not going to say I deserve protection because I said they were going to be fine. [00:12:28][4.6]
julian martinez: [00:12:29] But you have a game Monday Night Football against the New York Giants and you beat them by maybe a touchdown or touchdown or whatever it. And I think that's when people start hitting that red alarm button and it's like, you bitch. [00:12:42][13.8]
kyle ledbetter: [00:12:43] And you know what? The Kansas City Chiefs went eight and one after that happened that that Monday night game, they went eight and one and outscored opponents. But maybe that's. [00:12:50][7.3]
julian martinez: [00:12:50] Because maybe that's because andy reid big red push that big red button after that game and said, guys, we got to get our shit together. We can't literally be beating the Giants by a score. This is where we have to hit that red alarm. And it worked all the way up until the playoffs where you have a 21 point lead against the lowly Cincinnati Bengals probably didn't need to be there. And then chaos happens. And maybe that's another thing, too. Oh, honestly. And that's maybe something that Patrick Mahomes does need to clean up somewhat. The. I hate to say it so harshly, but dumbness. Like the scramble roll back sack that happened against the Bengals. That was horrific. And I think Patrick Mahomes will agree that that was horrific. Aaron Rodgers doesn't do that. Aaron Rodgers he has the opposite problem. Sometimes he goes too conservative with the ball. They kind of move in different directions. But I guess if you're asking for what gets you respect with the guys, sometimes not making the ESPN top ten lowlights is something that gets a little bit more among the locker room because people won't kill and leave them to conservative. [00:14:00][69.6]
kyle ledbetter: [00:14:01] And perhaps that's the same point that Sammy Watkins was talking about, which to close out the segment, I would like to read a couple of my favorite quotes from the Sammy Watkins story, because it's incredible. I quote, Dreams are not merely dreams. No, Watkins believes we all move through an astral realm in which you can manifest outcomes into the physical world. Like the past AFC Championship game. Remember, that was in 2020. He hears voices that tell him when danger's near. He knows for certain that world words, cast spells and death. Watkins isn't afraid of death. Not when you know you've probably died so many times, he says. And you're still here. You just keep coming back. He's also said that, you know, he's researched religious stories of the beginning of mankind and took it a bit too far. There was Adam. Okay, you've got it. But the serpent now, the serpent was not just a snake. All things we think are good aren't good. All of the things we think are bad aren't bad. God could be Satan. Jesus could be Lucifer. Watkins started to feel a dragon like snake, like presence around him. And then when he took it for a drive, he saw something that petrified him all the way to this day. That is some of the again, read this story. It's awesome. I read it two years ago and it has still stuck with me ever since. Sammy Watkins is such an interesting dude. [00:15:20][79.4]
julian martinez: [00:15:22] The Lizard King, Sammy Watkins lives on. Thank you for the content today, bro. Anyway, guys, go ahead and drop below in the comments. Yes. Kyle wants to opt out of this debate and I'm curious your thoughts. Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, to day you have to take one. Who is the quarterback you're rolling with. We will like on this video helps the channel helps me helps Kyle. Subscribe to the channel helps us even more. From Juju talk sports guy kyle Ledbetter. Stay safe, happy and healthy. We will see you next time. [00:15:22][0.0]
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